26-04-2018I jave been asked to clarify the situation of the various, and numerous, development proposals in the Brook Lane area of Warsash - hopefully this picture will help the situation:
The following table specifies the position in the planning system:
|Site reference||Status||Date for final decision||No. of
|P/16/1049/OA||Rejected - decision appealed - awaiting outcome
|P/17/0746/OA||Accepted by Planning Committee - still Under consideration
|P/17/0752/OA||Accepted by Planning Committee - still Under consideration
|P/17/0845/OA||Accepted by Planning Committee - still Under consideration
|P/17/0998/OA||Yet to go before Planning Committee
Land & Partners
|P/17/1284/OA||Yet to go before Planning Committee
|P/18/0107/OA||Yet to go before Planning Committee
|P/18/0376/FP||Yet to go before Planning Committee
|To be submitted
Better views of individual sites:
P/16/1049/OA - Land To The East Of Brook Lane And South Of Brookside
P/17/0746/OA - Land To The East Of Brook Lane And South Of Brookside
P/17/0752/OA - Land East of Brook Lane, North of Warsash Road Brook Lane Warsash
P/17/0845/OA - Brook Lane - Land to the east of - Warsash
P/17/0998/OA - Land to the East of Brook Lane and West of Lockswood Road Warsash Southampton SO31 9FG
P/17/1284/OA - Land Adjoining 79 Greenaway Lane Warsash Southampton SO31 9HT
P/18/0107/OA - Land to the East & West of 79 Greenaway Lane Warsash Southampton
P/18/0376/FP - Land To The Rear Of September Cottage, Brook Avenue, Warsash
Unsubmitted - Land adjacent to 125 Greenaway Lane
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I have spoken with one of the planning officers to try and get the Planning Portal modified to show quite where in the process an application is. At present even though an application has been approved by the Planning Committee, it shows as 'Under consideration'. Apparently this is because there may be legal niceties to be cleared up and the application MAY have to be returned to the committee. It doesn't help very much when idiots like me, or possibly even a resident with far more nonce than me wants to actually find out what the situation is.
24-04-2018A couple of question and answer routines between Warsash residents and Bargate Homes about land adjacent to 125 Greenaway Lane:
"The so-called exhibition, which was unmanned at the Salterns club for ½ a day was an insult to residents, being unmanned and for a few hours only".
"My comments refer to the above site and because there was no opportunity to ask questions at the recent exhibition, I include some questions to you now".
Here goes almost the last bit of greenfield in this area.
Link to Bargate Homes so-called Public "consultation"
|From this||to this|
Now they have started on the other side of Brook Avenue - updated 23-04-2018
Link the Planning Application P/18/0376/FP
And all in a couple of years. There have been comments made to the developers prior to them applying for planning permission - will they have any effect on them trying to make a packet from yet another pice of green land? - Only one small piece to go and that will then completely fill this area. Somehow we MUST make council and developers look at the big picture.
It actually makes me wonder whether FBC really understand the extent of the devastation and the REAL consequences of these applications. Can we really believe that Welborne would have made any difference if their overly-optimistic and inadequate planning had in fact allowed the 6,000 houses to be started 3 years ago?
FBC finally deigned to give a sort of response to the complaint about how they handled the petition. Make of it what you will
From: "Wightman, Samantha"
Subject: Response to Complaint
Date: 10 April 2018 at 16:13:55 BST
Dear Ms Megginson
I write further to your online complaint dated 21 February of which I acknowledged receipt via email on 9th March.
I can confirm that I have reviewed your request and can now respond as follows.
You have outlined where you believe things have gone wrong and I apologise that you feel residents have not been listened to. Ultimately, you have asked that the Scrutiny Board now reviews the steps taken in response of your Petition:
1. As Lead Petitioner and on behalf of those who signed the petition, the group known as Save Warsash & The Western Wards (SWWW), we request the council’s Scrutiny Board review the way this petition has been handled. The outcomes we want from a review include:
• A date to be set for the debate of the petition
• To recall all planning applications that have been granted outline planning permission since the petition was submitted, as this pre-empts the outcome of that debate and cuts across the consultation process of the Draft Local Plan
• At the very least delay granting full planning permission to those applications for the reasons given in the previous bullet point above
• Residents want a say in the numbers and types of properties and open spaces that they will have to tolerate on a daily basis. They want fewer properties than proposed. To facilitate this, residents want dialogue, and collaboration between themselves and Planners and developers.
• A full apology for the way we have been treated by Democratic Services, other Council officers and Planning Committee members.
I can advise you that Officers will now bring a report on this issue to the next meeting of the Scrutiny Board which is scheduled for the 17th May 2018, inviting them to undertake a review on the handling of the petition in order that your complaint can be considered and resolved.
If you wish to make a Deputation to the Scrutiny Board, you can register your request once the Agenda has been published on the website which will be five clear working days before the meeting date. You may make this request via an online form or by emailing firstname.lastname@example.org. Further information about making a Deputation to meetings can be found on the Council’s website at http://www.fareham.gov.uk/about_the_council/council_and_democracy/deputationsother.aspx
In respect of the outcomes you are seeking from the Scrutiny Board, I am able to advise you that the Scrutiny Board will be able to review the Petition and the way in which it has been handled. They will not however be able to set a date for the debate of the Petition, nor can they direct that all planning applications that have been granted outline planning permission since the Petition was submitted be recalled, nor will they be able to delay the granting of full planning permission.
Fareham Borough Council as Planning Authority, is required to prepare a Draft Local Plan which is a statutory requirement. Draft Local Plans will go through several processes until such time as they are debated at a Council meeting. The reason your Petition cannot be debated yet is because Councillors will, when debating the Draft Local Plan at a meeting of the Council, be voting on proposed site allocations. Therefore, they are unable to indicate what their voting intentions would be in advance of that meeting.
As indicated above, the Scrutiny Board are also unable to direct that all planning applications that have been granted outline planning permission since the Petition was submitted be recalled, nor will they be able to delay the granting of full planning permission.
To reiterate the rationale given previously to you in correspondence with Ms Usher’s: the reason why they are unable to do so is because determination of planning applications is a regulatory function of Fareham Borough Council, delegated to the Planning Committee and set out in the Town and Country Planning Act 1990.
The Planning Committee, when deciding planning applications, are required to determine applications in accordance with the Local Plan, having regard for material considerations. There are timescales set out in the regulations which dictate that a planning application should be considered for decision within 13 weeks of the application being made. If this timeframe is not met, the Council would put itself at risk of a Non-Determination Appeal being submitted by the applicant.
I can assure you that regardless of the above, all points raised in your request for this matter for be considered by the Scrutiny Board will be given to them for consideration and I felt it was only fair to advise you of the limitations of powers that the Scrutiny Board will have when reaching their conclusion.
I reiterate that in respect of your complaint, Officers will take a report on this issue to the next meeting of the Scrutiny Board which is scheduled for the 17th May 2018 and invite them to undertake a review on the handling of the petition.
I hope this has assisted you but if you have any further points for clarification, please do not hesitate to contact either myself or the Head of Democratic Services, Leigh Usher.
Samantha Wightman, Committee and Information Services Manager, Fareham Borough Council, 01329 824594
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After the supposed e-mail threats sent to the Warsash Sailing Club if Cllr. Woodward and Suella Fernandes MP offered to attend to justify their position on the need for all of the new developments required Rob Megginson started an e-mail trail. the trail can be found here. It really is quite enlightening and we STILL don't know the veracity of the claim that threats were made, especially as the Club refuse to endorse the claim.
After the Planning Committee kicked this one into touch because of concerns over traffic (funny that the additional 700 odd dwellings down Brook Lane aren't causing any problems), the developers are reviewing the situation. I wonder if they dualled 100 yards of road either side of the entrance whether that would resolve the problem or are there other, not quite so obvious reasons why it didn't get the go-ahead?
"Bob Smaylen, development director at Prime Plc said: ‘We are very disappointed that planning permission for the proposed scheme was refused, as we know how much the facility is needed in the area.
‘There is a real lack of good quality care home places and specialist dementia care, and a majority of the residents we spoke to during our initial consultation welcomed the idea."
Quote from an article in The News
Quote from an article in The News
Campaign to Protect Rural England (CPRE) is helping the Save Warsash and Western Wards (SWWW) campaign in their fight against development in the Fareham borough. Caroline Dibden, Vice Trustee & South Hampshire Lead for CPRE, said: ‘We are providing help and assistance to the group so they can understand planning procedures and how best they can protect their green spaces.
This very well written objection on the FBC planning site summarises the threat to the village:
To whom it may concern
Land & Partners Ltd 185 homes P/17/0998/OA Bargate Homes 140 homes P/17/0752/OA Taylor Wimpey 80 homes P/17/0746/OA Foreman Homes 185 homes P/16/0959/OA Ms Hanslip 37 homes P/17/1284/OA Further development Greenaway Lane 110 homes.
Further to my previous objections to the above planning applications, I feel that I must comment further on the overall picture now that the total number of dwellings is becoming apparent.
The above planning applications total 737 homes and to this must be added a further 100 homes at the Maritime Academy.
This would give a potential increase of 837 homes within a one mile stretch of Brook Lane. This does not include the existing Taylor Wimpey site a further half mile away in Peters Road, and the Cold East site where a further 600 houses are at present under construction. This gives a possible final total of 1437 houses in a 1.7 mile stretch of Brook Lane.
On the basis of two cars per household this could involve up to an increase of 5748 car movements per day. This is in addition to the volume of traffic currently using the road. Bearing in mind that Brook Lane is not scheduled for any upgrades it would a great burden on an old road. At the moment, at peak times, large traffic build ups occur at all the exits to Warsash i.e. Barnes Lane, Brook Lane (incl. Lockswood Road) and Locks Road and any additional increase could cause gridlock.
Looking at it from a logistics point of view it would not be physically possible for, say, an additional 2000 cars to exit the Brook Lane/Barnes Lane Junctions with the A27 in a time frame of two hours (7.00 to 9.00am and 5.00 to 7.00pm) particularly as the A27 at these times is already very busy. Each of the above applications has been taken in isolation with no thought to the overall traffic situation. It should be remembered that these are the only exits from Warsash as the South and West are bounded by water and Warsash Road also finally leads to the A27.
At present Warsash has a very small industrial base therefore any people living in the area would have to migrate to the north of Warsash to seek employment. Similarly, there are very few shops, therefore the same would apply. At present the Lockswood Centre is full at peak times so additional housing would increase the congestion.
It has been suggested that Brook Lane and Barnes Lane could be upgraded and Traffic Lights placed at the end of Barnes Lane, This would be an excellent idea from a safety point of view, but it would only serve to get the traffic to the vicinity of the A27 more quickly and then it would still come to a halt.
If any of the above planning applications are passed it will create a precedent for the remaining ones to use to further their applications.
I hope that the Planning Inspectors will take the above into consideration when reaching their verdict.
At today's planning meeting all three of the Warsash applications were passed with a vote of 4 - 5. Unfortunately Cllr. Hockley who replaced Cllr. Cartwright on the committee due to his inability to take his seat because he had 'pre-determined' his opinion voted for the application. Had Cllr. Cartwright remained in place and voted in the way that his conscience had told him to the result would have been very different.
Presumably Cllr. Ford should not have been on the committee either as he had obviously pre-determined his vote by showing that he was against the plans for Warsash in the Daft Local Plan debates.
Link to an article in The News
Link to an article in Daily Echo
Videos are now available here
There seem to be so many applications hitting FBC's Planning Portal for Brook Lane at the moment, some being added, some, being withdrawn, some being appealed, some having their appeal changed to an informal hearing, that I though that it might be a good idea to try and get some sort of sense into it. Please bear in mind that I might be wrong (in fact probably am) but this is my take on the current situation.
The complete picture:
Better views of individual sites:
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From what I can make out
I hope that makes it more clear but I must admit that after all of that I am just as confused as I was before. All that I do know is that if that little lot all get the go-ahead then I am rather pleased that all I have to concern me, where I live, is Welborne.
Well so far that's been one march for Portchester and one for Warsash - how about one FOR FAREHAM. It looks as if it was a good turnout so if any of these sites get rejected and are moved to another area within Fareham, will that mean another protest march? We really need to start working together.
Link to an article in the Daily Echo
The most popular CAT meeting by far since we have started videoing them, so popular infact, that the Council had to arrange a carry-on meeting. In total 350 people attended and they made their feelings about over-development under investment in infrastructure that FBC might actually take note. The problem is if FBC do take notice and reduce the number of dwellings, it will just mean that residents will suffer in some other area.
Link to an article in The News
It wasn't really worth keeping the original Brook Lane page alive as it was. Everything that went on before is obsolete now that the Local Plan has been released for comment.
Within the Strategic Housing Land Availability Assessment there are nine sites that have been selected as suitable for development, in fact these 9 sites have been incorporated into one in the actual Local Plan - Click any of the images to enlarge and scroll through the sites.
All that we can do now is to file objections to the over-development of Fareham and hope and pray that some notice can be taken of these objections. Comments can be filed on-line at this address. A printable comment form is available here or you can e-mail them at email@example.com although from their web page they don't seem to be too keen on snail mail. I guess just send a letter to the Planning Department at Fareham Borough Council, Civic Offices, Civic Way, Fareham, Hampshire, PO16 7AZ