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Cranleigh Road




The enquiry - day one

26-04-2017

Taken from The News icon The News article


"The PUSH figures are untested and should not be seen as a final housing target for the local plan. The council is pro-actively pursuing a number of developments with Welborne." Quote byPaul Stinchcombe, representing Fareham Borough Council.



From the Voice for Portchester Facebook page courtesy of Siobhan Paula Fox Houlihan


Cranleigh Road Appeal - update

I was there until 4pm today and it was long, sometimes not understood because of all the legal jargon going back and forth but here is just a round up if interested.

If there is any mistake I make here please let me know and I will edit this post. I don't pretend to know everything going on here and so am only human so am capable of mistakes. Please be kind if I'm wrong!

Welborne Village is well under massive delays in building works.

Make no mistake Welborne is going ahead - but very slowly.

FBC should have in place a 5 year plan for certain amount of houses - according to the government- Persimmon homes are arguing that because Welborne is so far behind you have to put houses up elsewhere. We are effectively taking some pressure off Welborne by building on lands near us.

Lots more applications to build other dwellings in this and surrounding area have been refused and they went through all of them scrutinised why.

So all very technical today. People who have registered to talk and voice their objections (like me) will talk on Thursday afternoon.

But I did leave today thinking - we have no chance. Let's hope tomorrow is a better day.

Hope this is of some help to you.



Snippets from "Fareham - Countryside or More Housing? - The Big Debate" Facebook page


Chris Arnold

The Council’s arguments seemed a mess, a bit wishy washy, vague. I felt Persimmons QC really had the chap from Fareham on the ropes. I’m hoping today will find out what the developer’s arguments are, go away and tomorrow come out all guns blazing; hmm why don’t I believe that? I expected FBC to do a lot better. There was a lot of technical stuff. I think FBC agreed they were not meeting their housing numbers but then were saying they’re delayed on Welborne but delay was temporary. I wasn’t impressed with the Council and several murmurs and gasps from the public. I know you and Chris Nixon would have been annoyed with the Council. Ps if this application gets through its not Persimmon we should blame. I would lay the blame at the Council’s door


Jason Mudge

Is it true FBC presented a portfolio/ folder that wasn't even indexed and that got short shrift from the inspector?

Chris Arnold

Indexed ha! If it was, Donald Duck indexed it. A lot of time was wasted flicking and scrabbling through various appendices and folders, it was farce. Based upon today I would say the developers had the better arguments, were better at highlighting Council failures e.g. the Navigator, they highlighted land at Lockswood centre and I would have expected the Council to have been a darn sight better organised and planned. I hope tomorrow goes better, it could go either way - the teacher from school did a good deputation

It seemed that the Council’s relying on Welborne and they downplayed the delay. Should have an impact on delivery. From what I heard they believed any delay was temporary and the Welborne CPO showed the Council’s commitment to Welborne. Causes for concern Persimmon’s legal team know their stuff and at times I felt they had the Council on the back foot. See what tomorrow brings.

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URGENT CALL FOR RESIDENTS ACTION

16-04-2017

Cranleigh Road Public Inquiry on Tuesday April 25"


I contacted Cllr's Bell and Walker regarding the letter that came through our doors recently. They had hoped to hear from residents who would be willing to attend and possibly speak at the inquiry. I was informed that although 300 letters had been delivered I was the only person to respond. This is a great concern to all of us who care about preventing infill developments on our precious green spaces. FBC are investing in this appeal by appointing a specialist planning QC and the local Councilors will be stating how opposed residents are to this development but that will look like an empty gesture if there isn't a resident's presence!

Please don't assume someone else will speak on your behalf, as clearly this isn't happening, no residents have come forward to attend or speak. This really is our last chance to make our voices heard and protect this space for the future. Cllr Walker has an inquiry-planning meeting on Wednesday April 19"‘. He desperately needs to hear from residents willing to speak and would like to arrange a pre meeting with those volunteers so that the messages have the greatest impact. Please take the initiative and contact Cllrs Bell or Walker on 02392 384943 immediately and offer your services, even if you do not feel able to speak up you can attend and at least demonstrate your support

Thank you

Text supplied by Margaret Tolley

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Get ready for the appeal

15-04-2017

Cranleigh Road Appeal - Fareham Borough Council v Persimmon Homes

Persimmon Homes' appeal against the Council's decision to refuse its planning application will be heard by a Government Planning Inspector at a Public Inquiry on 25th April 2017, commencing at 10:00 am at the Council's offices. The appeal is likely to last for four days and residents can attend.

All comments previously made about the planning application have been sent to the Planning Inspector for consideration. If you have something else to say, that hasn't already been said, or if you haven't yet made any comments but would like to, the Inspector will normally allow you to speak.

If you want to speak at the Public Inquiry it is important that you are there when it opens on the first day (25th April) at 10:00am.

It is on the first day that the Inspector will ask if any interested people want to speak, register their names and tell everyone about the timetable and the order the proceedings will take.

Cranleigh Road, Portchester planning application

The application
FBC Icon The amended outline planning application from Persimmon Homes South Coast sought to develop the land north of Cranleigh Road and west of Wicor Primary School

Key documents
FBC Icon Fareham Borough Council Officers Final,Report to the Planning Committee - Recommendation - Refusal

FBC Icon Link to the original planning application 17 March 2015. The application was completed on 24 March 2016

FBC Icon Appeal Page

Key issue - Five year land supply
FBC Icon Persimmon Homes South Coast thoughts on this important issue

FBC Icon Statement of Common Ground - 5 year Land Supply

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Cranleigh Road appeal dates

10-11-2016

The appeal dates for this development have been set for the 25th April to the 28th April. The proceedings will be held at the Council Offices starting at 10:00.

Both sides will be using Queen's Councillors so yet again the only real winner out of this will be the legal profession and the inevitable loser will be us, the ratepayers, whichever side wins.

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Pre-inquiry statements

10-11-2016

landscape

After Cranleigh could this be the next part of Portchester to go?



Persimmon Homes have filed their statements to support their appeal against the refusal to grant permission for this estate. Among their reasons for appeal are the following statements:

  • 10.3 It is considered that the Appellant’s housing land supply report demonstrates the Council’s lack of a 5-year housing land supply. The NPPF advice set out in paragraph 49 applies giving effect to the advice in paragraph 14. It is considered that the Council’s relevant policies for the supply of housing are now out-of-date and should be set aside. In this regard the Appellant looks specifically in the advice set out in the NPPF in paragraphs 14, 47, 49, 212 and 213. It is evident, therefore, that there is justification for and overriding need for the proposed development on this greenfield site outside the adopted urban settlement boundary of Portchester. The site can offer sustainable development and the proposed development would bring with it economic, social and environmental benefits, thus achieving sustainable development in accordance with paragraphs 7 and 14 of the NPPF. These will be outlined in the Appellant’s Proof of Evidence.

  • 10.4 The Appellant will address the Council’s housing land supply figures to demonstrate the shortfall. An assessment will be made of the sources of supply, the Council’s Annual Monitoring Report, or any subsequent updated document, and the PUSH Spatial Position Statement. Where necessary, cross-reference will be made to relevant national guidance and case law. A separate housing land supply Statement of Case is submitted with this appeal.

  • 10.5 The number of households currently registered for affordable housing is a particular problem for the Borough which will not improve in the near future without more affordable houses being built. The Council’s Core Strategy refers in paragraph 6.22 to there being 1,901 households on the Council’s housing waiting list as of June 2010. This development would therefore make a valuable contribution of 48 affordable properties towards the Council’s shortfall of affordable housing and assist some of those households currently on the housing waiting list.

We can only hope that FBC have kept their powder dry and that they can counter these arguments, otherwise the Welborne big gun that we have been promised will save the day, will prove only to be capable of firing blanks.

Links to the relevant submissions

Woolf Bond Planning LLP for Persimmon Homes, Five Year Housing Land Supply Position Statement - Statement of Case

BJC Icon BJC on behalf of Persimmon Homes - Statement of Case

FBC Icon Fareham Borough Council - Statement of Case

Allen Pyke Associates - Landscape statement of Case

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CATS meeting on 17-10-2016

19-10-2016

CATS attendees


Videos are on the videos page

The meeting was very well attended with over 220 people showing interest in what was happening.

It started with a presentation given by Kim Hayler of FBCs Planning Department, Basically it explained what has happened at this particular site in the site and how the appeal made by Persimmon Homes will be handled, time scales how to make representation.

The public were then invited to ask questions to which the chairwoman Cllr. Susan Bell, Kim Hayler and another member of the Planning Team attempted to supply answers. One thing that came out of one of the questions - GPs must make their own representation - is that if we want local services - Education, GPs, even the CCG then they MUST MAKE THEIR OWN REPRESENTATION to the inspector if they want any weight to accorded their views. The inspector will NOT approach them.

In some parts the sound recording is awful, unfortunately one of the microphones that they were using seemed to be playing up, after a little bit of massaging the quality is much better than I had expected except in the Unknown question but the answer was good video. Unfortunatley I couldn't do anything with that.

We have until the 29th of October to submit comments

By snail mail quoting ref. APP/A1720/W/16/3156344 to:
The Planning Inspectorate
Temple Quay Houses
2 The Square
Bristol
BS11 6PN

or online at https://acp.planninginspectorate.gov.uk quoting reference 3156344.
So if you wish to make your point you need to start now.

The News icon Link to The News article

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Update on Cranleigh Road.

03-09-2016

Still waiting to hear the grounds of the appeal, which is important to know and who the inspector is. Once the inspector is appointed, he or she, will announce a timetable of proceedings.

The timetable will allow members of the public to express their thoughts. Residents should be aware if they have already submitted representations to the council when the planning application was considered by Council officers/ members of planning committee, then those representations will be considered by the inspector and form part of the appeal process.

Once we know the grounds of the appeal residents may wish to revisit their comments and update them. The actual appeal hearings could be some months away.

FBC icon Planning application
bjc icon Developers web site

Looks like Welborne will come more and more into play unless our council extracts their digit the promise about it supplying so many of our future housing needs will prove completely undeliverable.

Quote from BJC's website.

  1. The Adopted Fareham Borough Core Strategy sets out a housing target of 3,729 dwellings to be delivered in the borough between 2006 – 2026 (excluding the Strategic Development Area at Welborne)
  2. Policy CS13 within the Core Strategy states that provision will be made for 6,500 – 7,500 over the plan period, with a housing trajectory predicting that only 5,350 dwellings will be completed by 2026
  3. The Welborne Development’s time scale has been extended by 10 years and according to the recent Welborne Plan (July 2014) the development will now only provide 6,000 houses by 2036
  4. There is also a shortfall in the number of affordable houses being delivered in the borough

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What will it take to end 30 years of wrangling?

15-08-2016

The News icon Link to The News article

"With applications and their subsequent appeals for this site going back three decades, it is hardly surprising that people living around the Cranleigh Road area in Portchester describe the ongoing situation there as a ‘never-ending war.’"

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12-08-2016

It all starts again


I said that I would resurrect this page if and when Persimmon raised their appeal. Well it seems that time has now come, apparently the appeal was raised yesterday.

During the last Executive Committee meeting the Mayor said that "We live in exciting times". Trouble is this is the kind of excitement that we could do without.

It will be very interesting to see how hard our Council are prepared to defend their case. If you need to refresh your memory on what went on the original planning meeting the videos are here

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Special Planning Committee

16-03-2016

A special Planning Committee meeting has been arranged for Thursday 24th March starting at 10:00 with just one item on the agenda.

FBC Icon PLANNING APPLICATION P/15/0260/OA – LAND NORTH OF CRANLEIGH ROAD/WEST OF WICOR PRIMARY SCHOOL PORTCHESTER FAREHAM.

greenery tunnelStatement (ES) and the applicant reducing the number of units proposed to 120:

Four hundred and ninety two objections were received...

Just a couple of quotes from the report...

Page 8 - Hampshire County Council (Lead Flood Authority) - Hampshire County Council as Lead Local Flood Authority have viewed the application and consider the proposal for surface water drainage meets the current standards/best practice in relation to surface water drainage. Where the proposals are connecting to an existing drainage system it is likely that the authorities responsible for maintaining those systems will have their own design requirements that will need to be reviewed and agreed as part of any Planning Considerations - Key Issues surface water drainage scheme.

Page 7 - Southern Water Services - There is an objection against the proposed surface water drainage strategy. Southern Water will not accept the connection of SUDS facilities such as basins, ponds, swales to public sewers or to sewers offered for adoption as public. Should the application receive planning permission a condition should be imposed securing approval of the foul and surface water sewerage disposal before development commences

Page 9 - PLANNING HISTORY

Applications for residential development of the site were refused in 1981, 1982, 1983, 1986, 1996 and 2004. Appeals following refusals in 1986, 1996 and 2004 were dismissed. The most recent application, (P/04/1907/OA) was refused on 23 December 2004 for the development of more than 30 dwellings per hectare, including 50% affordable provision, together with a new square incorporating community uses and public open space provision, associated landscaping and roads. An appeal was lodged and subsequently dismissed on 8 May 2006. The application site was the same as the current proposal. The appeal was dismissed on the grounds that the principle of residential development on the site was contrary to Local Plan Policies, the loss of space which contributed to the local gap was unacceptable as was the loss of Grade 1 and 2 of agricultural land. Since the previous appeal the 'local gap' and 'coastal zone' designations have been removed, however the site continues to lie outside of the defined urban settlement boundary and is still classified Grade 1 and 2 agricultural land.

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Response to the CONSULTATION on Cranleigh Road

16-02-2016

Just noticed this one as a FBC Icon really good objection to this development. pdf iconPDF 11MB 21 pages. Wonder if FBC will ignore this as well? Apparently residents who should have received notification of this proposed for a second time still haven't had them. It really does stsrt to make you wonder.

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Ecological survey

23-01-2016

Here is the revised Ecological Survey pdf iconPDF 1.71 MB that was required by FBC prior to going any further with the planning application.

There are two reasons why one needs to think carefully about any development on the fields of Cranleigh Road.

site


1. a - Any development on those fields would effectively extend the urban fringe into an area that is not designated for development by the local Plan Part 2 - Development Sites & Policies Plan:
b - If development was allowed on those two fields a domino effect would roll across all the other neighbouring fields, one would not be able to stop it. See photo.

2. Any development on the fields of Cranleigh Road breaks a solemn promise. Build Welborne and there will be no development outside of the Welborne boundaries until 2036

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Latest plans

14-01-2016

site plan

This appears to be the latest plan available on FBC' website but I believe it applies to the unmodified application.

As the environmental statement has now been completed and submitted the application has just been re-presented. The developers have dropped the number of dwellings to 120.

FBC Icon The planning application can be viewed here but I cannot find the environmental report that this application was dependent on. If anybody finds it let me know and I shall add a link here.

The News iconThe latest News article can be found here.

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Seafield Road


Cranleigh Road   Wicor Path   Winnham Farm  



Seafield development



Is Seafield Road being prepared for more development?

06-09-2016

Nothing is definite yet but it looks as though the land next to Seafield Road, Moraunt Drive and Tattershall Crescent is being cleared - could this be the landowners, one of whom is The Churchlands Trust, preparing it ready for development as the land has been brought forward under the Fareham Borough Council's call for new sites in November 2015? Presently the Council is considering whether the site is suitable for housing. Previous applications were made in 1995 and 1997 one of which was refused and the other withdrawn. The site is outside the urban fringe, classified as countryside and open space. Another Cranleigh Road one could say.

The current position is, a month ago the landowners started to clear brambles and undergrowth in order to be able to undertake a Survey, however, this has now included the felling of most if not all the trees. On part of the site, 20 year old oak trees have been destroyed.

There is the small matter of protected species, slow worms, other reptiles, badgers, bats, bird life, etc. The site landowners have legal responsibilities towards protecting such wildlife. The big question, has an ecological survey been done?

If the landowner is saying that it is being done because of brambles invading gardens it would only need a small area to be cleared, not removing 20 year old oaks and why haven't they kept the land in a reasonable state during the intervening years? It sounds very much like a pretty poor excuse for despoiling the countryside. The Solent Way won't be much of a walk if all of these developments along it's edge carry on.

  Previous justification for development here This was put forward in 2014 but rejected by the council.

The News icon  Link to The News article

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Wicor Path


Cranleigh Road   Seafield Road   Winnham Farm  




Here's what is being proposed

13-06-2017

Radian Homes will be holding an exhibition on the 6th July to present their plans for 49 dwellings on this land west of Seafield Road, Portchester.

Radian Homes are planning to submit a planning application by the end of July.

The exhibition will be held from 3pm to 8pm at the Castle Street Hall, Castle Street, Portchester.The period between 3pm and 4pm will be open exclusively to residents in the immediate vicinity of the site.

Not clear if the landowners will be present? I hope they are, because they need to answer a number of questions.

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Nothing official yet

06-06-2017

Wicor Path In May the developers behind a proposed development on land North of Wicor Path appeared with aerosol cans containing blue dye. They proceeded to spray a line around the boundary of two neighbouring landowners parcels of land, South and North of Wicor Path.

There was a problem however, the land they were contaminating with their blue dye was not theirs, in fact the land belonged to Fareham Borough Council and Hampshire County Council. The developers with full support of the landowners failed to ask permission, they simply took it upon themselves to contaminate other landowner's land with their blue dye while exercising their skills in graffiti design.

They didn't stop to ask FBC or HCC, no, this is where their fence was going, full stop. HCC then asked the graffiti designers to sign a legal document for the use of their land. This request was enough to frighten off the invaders from HCC land. Meanwhile, on the Eastern boundary discussions opened up to find a compromise to allow the invaders the use of FBC land for a period of time. After nearly two weeks of discussions the invaders turn down every single compromise put to them, every single one. They wanted a 6 foot solid wooden fence. They turned down a request for a 4 foot fence and a final compromise allowing them to erect a 6 foot open chain fence. Both reasonable compromises. They are now hacking their way through undergrowth in the bird nesting season. Says it all really.

For the developers and landowners to make out they are the good guys and everyone else are the bad guys is simply a fabrication of the truth.

"Better the devil you know".......... I don't think so.

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Winnham Farm


Link to Miller Homes website

Cranleigh Road   Seafield Road   Wicor Path  




And now for the sales blurb

30-05-2017

Quote from the Welcome board

""In 2015, the average home in the South East of England increased in value by £29,000 while the average annual pay in the region was just £25,542" (page 9, Housing White Paper) and "by 2020 only a quarter of 30-year-olds will own their own homes. In contrast, more than half the generation currently approaching retirement were homeowners by their 30th birthday""

I wonder how many 30 year olds will be able to afford one of these homes?

And the rest of the boards.

And the best of luck to anybody wanting to leave the development during the rush hour.

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Miller Homes presentation. 02-05-2017

03-05-2017

Having attended the Miller Homes presentation yesterday various points came to light.

  • They seem to accept that the development is going to do absolutely nothing to ease the traffic congestion on the A27 although HCC have apparently requested that they become involved with improving the Delme Arms roundabout. Whatever they do there though will just exacerbate the situation at Market Quay. The representative that I spoke with described the improvements to the Downend Road - A27 junction and accepted that changing it will have very little affect on the traffic flow because the problem is actually caused by the roundabouts further down the line.

  • As with FBC, when tackled on the Hospital loading problem, I got the normal "We have been in close consultation with F&G CCG but it's their problem, not ours"

  • They have been asked by HCC Education to help to pay for the enlargement of Red Barn, Wicor and Cams Hall schools. Although if Cranleigh Road does get past the appeal then there won't be any land left for a Wicor School enlargement.

  • If FBC reject the plan they will almost certainly go to appeal.

  • Dowend Farm site plan



  • Possibly even more worrying was that the representative admitted that the plan that they have published is incorrect in that it shows the land involved for this development is smaller than that shown and that they have options on the land to the north and to the west on the other side of Downend Road. So 350 house could easily become 1000 or more although no plans have been made for these additional sites AS YET.
    The area coloured red in the picture at the head of the page is the area that the current planning application refers to, the green is that part that was mistakenly added and the blue part is the area that Miller Homes have an option on. These areas have been drawn from memory from a plan that I was shown at the presentation so may not be 100% accurate.

Here are copies of the feedback form issued, no space for any commants about REAL concerns, traffic, health, education.
feedback form feedback form

Click either image to enlarge



The News icon Link to article in The News

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Miller Homes presentation.

02-05-2017

Quote from Daily Echo icon the Daily Echo article

Councillor Nick Walker, chairman of the Fareham Borough Council planning committee, added: “The government has said, based on recent objectively assessed need and housing targets, that we need to build more than 2,000 new homes across the borough, but only 1,000 can be delivered on brownfield sites which mean greenfield sites will need to be used.”
“Winnham Farm is a suitable Greenfield site that is a reasonable size but the question is: will it get public support?”


Will it matter if it gets public support? Let's wait and see how Cranleigh Road turns out.

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And another 350 for Portchester?

21-04-2017

If Cranleigh Road get the go ahead next week does that mean that it will be open house for another 350 just over the road. All traffic exiting onto the same stretch of the A27


Click an image to enlarge


I am not sure whether the start time is 15:00 or 16:00 - depends on which article you want to read.

Please note - no application for planning has been lodged - YET.
Miller Homes are currently undertaking pre-application discussions with Fareham Borough Council and other key stakeholders.

Subject to the comments received through their pre-application discussions and public consultation it is their intention to submit an outline planning application in the summer 2017. This will follow a period of careful consideration of all the comments received during the consultation process.

Assuming the planning application is positively determined in the autumn of 2017 they anticipate that work could start on site in 2018.

Full details can be found at Miller Homes icon Miller Homes' website

A public consultation will be held on Tuesday 2nd May at Cams Hill from 16:00 - 20:00.

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